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Message 19099 - Posted: 21 Apr 2014, 18:02:57 UTC - in response to Message 18949.

For a while I thought it was really April Fool message. The recent credits have indeed taken a plunge.

Right now GPUGRID is providing good credit.

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Message 19101 - Posted: 21 Apr 2014, 22:06:05 UTC - in response to Message 19099.
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I could not agree more.

I thought it was an April Fool joke, but there was more truth than joke.....
Shame on me for believing it was an actual joke.. I really DID buy it hook, line and sinker... a total fake-out....

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Message 19104 - Posted: 22 Apr 2014, 10:54:39 UTC - in response to Message 19099.

For a while I thought it was really April Fool message. The recent credits have indeed taken a plunge.

Right now GPUGRID is providing good credit.


Credits are down because RAC is based on 'recent average credit' and since recently the project was down and NO credits were given for that day or two.

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Message 19108 - Posted: 22 Apr 2014, 19:02:30 UTC - in response to Message 19104.
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For a while I thought it was really April Fool message. The recent credits have indeed taken a plunge.

Right now GPUGRID is providing good credit.


Credits are down because RAC is based on 'recent average credit' and since recently the project was down and NO credits were given for that day or two.



That makes no sence at all...


Credits are down because RAC is based on 'recent average credit'


So RAC (which is Recent Average Credit) ... is based on itself... ok......that blows my mind !!!



Anyway... credits are lower than they used to be. I don't know why, maybe Jon can come up with an answer that actually makes sense.
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Message 19109 - Posted: 22 Apr 2014, 21:17:34 UTC

Maybe this explains it;

http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/forum_thread.php?id=1129&postid=18937#18937

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Message 19110 - Posted: 22 Apr 2014, 21:35:28 UTC - in response to Message 19101.

I could not agree more.

I thought it was an April Fool joke, but there was more truth than joke.....
Shame on me for believing it was an actual joke.. I really DID buy it hook, line and sinker... a total fake-out....


Ummmmm.... nothing has changed. Maybe you could provide an example of why you think it has changed.

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Message 19111 - Posted: 22 Apr 2014, 21:48:18 UTC

It looks like the multi-size logic is either woefully buggy or else it has turned into a Turing machine machine and become my arch-nemesis. Regardless, I'm seeing a box with dual GPUs get WUs that are supposed to only be given to CPUs. Given that the WUs that are that small are marked as infeasible for GPUs and the scheduler has decided to ignore that and send it anyway tells me that it isn't quite ready for prime time. So, now I have to figure out how to turn it off and have people manually choose from 3 sizes since there are already 3 apps defined (mini, collatz, and solo). That means 3 of each daemon type, and lots of app maintenance, but I don't see another way.

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Message 19112 - Posted: 23 Apr 2014, 0:21:06 UTC - in response to Message 19104.

Credits are down because RAC is based on 'recent average credit' and since recently the project was down and NO credits were given for that day or two.

Actually, I checked the credits given for individual tasks against the time worked. The credits have indeed plunged. The RAC is slow to pick this up as it is spread over a few days.

In comparison, GPUGRID is giving much better credit.

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Message 19113 - Posted: 23 Apr 2014, 0:59:15 UTC - in response to Message 19110.

I could not agree more.

I thought it was an April Fool joke, but there was more truth than joke.....
Shame on me for believing it was an actual joke.. I really DID buy it hook, line and sinker... a total fake-out....


Ummmmm.... nothing has changed. Maybe you could provide an example of why you think it has changed.



Last time I checked the credits were much lower than what it used to be before, so I had "No new tasks" on for a few days. Today while trying to respond to your message when I went to check my credits I got the "No tasks to display" message. So I can't post the example. I have since re-activated the project and may be able to respond when I get some data.

I don't have previous data of this project, but just as comparison I checked with a recent credit from a task GPUGRID.

Run time: 39,301.87 secs, CPU Time: 5,539.95 secs, Credit: 217,500.00

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Message 19120 - Posted: 23 Apr 2014, 23:03:00 UTC

As it is a bit past April 1, can the admin set this thread to non-broadcast so every post to it doesn't resend a notice on the BOINC tab?

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Message 19126 - Posted: 24 Apr 2014, 3:31:51 UTC - in response to Message 19120.

As it is a bit past April 1, can the admin set this thread to non-broadcast so every post to it doesn't resend a notice on the BOINC tab?

TIA


Done, and thanks for requesting it. I find the BOINC notices so annoying that I stopped reading any of them a long time ago and forgot how it keeps repeating the message over and over and over and over and over days or weeks after it was posted.

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Message 19127 - Posted: 24 Apr 2014, 3:36:24 UTC - in response to Message 19113.

I could not agree more.

I thought it was an April Fool joke, but there was more truth than joke.....
Shame on me for believing it was an actual joke.. I really DID buy it hook, line and sinker... a total fake-out....


Ummmmm.... nothing has changed. Maybe you could provide an example of why you think it has changed.



Last time I checked the credits were much lower than what it used to be before, so I had "No new tasks" on for a few days. Today while trying to respond to your message when I went to check my credits I got the "No tasks to display" message. So I can't post the example. I have since re-activated the project and may be able to respond when I get some data.

I don't have previous data of this project, but just as comparison I checked with a recent credit from a task GPUGRID.

Run time: 39,301.87 secs, CPU Time: 5,539.95 secs, Credit: 217,500.00


The only task I see is a CPU task. I would expect a CPU task to be a lot less credit than a GPU task as the GPUs are anywhere from 2 to 70 or more times faster depending upon the speed of the GPU.

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Message 19182 - Posted: 26 Apr 2014, 1:33:39 UTC - in response to Message 18956.



Yes, april fools day for Collatz, but real actuality at a lot of other projects.

It's shocking that some projects would even see the logic in this.

It's al about HW, not about time. If I have 8gpus, vs someone with 1, I should get 8xs the credit

Or if I have a gtx 780ti vs an 8800 I should get a LOT more credit as I've crunched a lot more per hr

Sad that projects don't look at work vs time. It's all about work.

If so,some can't afford good HW, they can still contribute. And get milestones... It just takes longer. The world isn't fair.

I'd love to see that April fools logic applied to RL, the world would fall apart economically

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Message 19186 - Posted: 26 Apr 2014, 2:10:34 UTC - in response to Message 19110.
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I could not agree more.

I thought it was an April Fool joke, but there was more truth than joke.....
Shame on me for believing it was an actual joke.. I really DID buy it hook, line and sinker... a total fake-out....


Ummmmm.... nothing has changed. Maybe you could provide an example of why you think it has changed.

Slicker – Apologies for the late response to the question.. I don’t hit the boards too often and missed your reply. My only evidence was anecdotal. Prior to the variable work unit distribution that occurred soon after the April Fool post I was crunching primarily wu’s that took me around 9.5min to crunch. Soon after, I was being swamped with 1min, 2min, 4min wu’s, and very few 9min wu’s. It appeared my machine was spending more time communicating with the server than processing wu’s. I believe others might have felt the same.
So, in effect, it did appear to me the ‘work unit credit reduction’ in the April Fool post was in actuality the truth. There were lots of word plays in the April Fool post…
With the most recent changes you are implimenting it is now all moot (to me), and things appear to have settled down on my machine, and wu’s times and size are ‘back to normal’.
I do appreciate all your hard work. Thanks for the project and site!

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