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Message 20159 - Posted: 7 Jan 2015, 18:50:43 UTC

So the project is back up, but without a peep from Slicker to explain the extended outage. This fact alone makes me reconsider my support for Collatz. I'm sorry if anyone disagrees, but I feel all the people who contribute their hard earned dollars to this project at least deserve the courtesy of being informed of what happened. I am hopeful an explanation is forthcoming.
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Message 20160 - Posted: 7 Jan 2015, 19:03:55 UTC - in response to Message 20159.

I'm absolutely with you. the permanent down times are not acceptable. and those very long uninformed ones break those projects the neck.

i only will do another wu until i will hit 20mio and then go forever. this is ridiculous.

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Message 20161 - Posted: 7 Jan 2015, 19:35:25 UTC

Folks -- this is a one person shop with someone who can't leave the setup attended when he is away.

I suspect that when he returned, his first priority was to return the project to the land of the living.

Further, I expect we'll get an explanation of the extended outage as soon as he has the time to construct the answer.

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Message 20163 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 1:01:38 UTC

I want to echo the comments of BarryZ. IMHO, Slicker does a wonderful job keeping this project running. In fact, I have been worried that the extended outage was the result of Slicker's illness or other unforeseen personal circumstance beyond Slicker's control. But even if that wasn't the cause of the outage, I am confident that Slicker did all that he could to resolve the outage in a timely manner and that s/he felt tremendous remorse for the fact that s/he couldn't do more.
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Message 20165 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 1:19:58 UTC

As far as I can see the servers were on winter holidays. People and servers deserve a break every so often. ;-)
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Message 20166 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 4:18:27 UTC

I understand Slicker runs this project from home, etc. I guess I am just disappointed that this was an extended outage and it wasn't even acknowledged. This has happened frequently lately (though not for nearly this long), compounding the issue. I fully understand stuff happens; all I ask is for some communication to let us know what happened. Perhaps my expectations are too high?
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Message 20168 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 19:08:40 UTC

Slicker seems to take much of his allotted vacation/holiday time in November and December. He hunts and does some traveling. So, there is bound to be outages. He has explained this several tines in the past.

I am happy he takes his time off seriously and gets away. Many people stay home / near home because they for some reason do not have the ability to get away. Let the man enjoy his vacations and not get hounded about the outage.

An approximate 2 week outage is fine with me over the holiday. There are plenty of back up projects to crunch while this one is down. You may find another project that you didn't realize was out there, or you may build up on some other badges, or add time to WUProp (if you do that) on something new.

This is not the only project that has gone or will go on hiatus for a bit. It was Christmas time. Where is the compassion and understanding this time of year should have? Our stressed out lives and nearly instant gratifications have us so tied up in knots we don't remember that we should find some inner peace and find understanding for your fellow person.

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Message 20169 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 19:51:23 UTC

At least we deserve a warning of impending down time so we can adjust our
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Message 20170 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 22:48:00 UTC - in response to Message 20169.

At least we deserve a warning of impending down time so we can adjust our
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The project might've been working fine when he went hunting/went out-of-town and dropped out while he was away.

Kind of hard to warn of "impending down time" when you don't know his impending.

Give the guy a break.
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Message 20171 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 0:18:21 UTC - in response to Message 20170.

At least we deserve a warning of impending down time so we can adjust our
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The project might've been working fine when he went hunting/went out-of-town and dropped out while he was away.

Kind of hard to warn of "impending down time" when you don't know his impending.

Give the guy a break.


So, it is impossible to simply post something like the following as a courtesy? You know, just like Slicker has already done in the past, AS CAN BE SEEN RIGHT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE SITE...

From June 5-15, the temporary Collatz system admin will be the cat sitter. That doesn't sound very reassuring does it? Sorry, but if the server goes down and requires anything other than a simple reboot, there may be an extended outage.

Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are higher than normal since Commonwealth Edison (a.k.a. ComEd, the electrical company in the area) failed to notify me on their original attempt to replace my power meter last week but were unable to do so since it evidently takes at least two people to do it. Since they didn't call before the last attempt, Murphy's Law suggests that they will not call before the next attempt and that it will take place while I am on vacation. The cat sitter doesn't know how to switch over to the generator if the outage exceeds the UPS battery so if the power is out for an extended period, Collatz may remain down until I get back.


Look, many of us invest thousands of dollars to support these projects. All I expect in return is the courtesy of a notice. I think if a person or entity begins a project like this, it is incumbent upon that person or entity to keep the people crunching for that project informed of these things. I am not asking for compensation or anything special. A simple sentence or two on the front page would suffice. Also, I understand that sometimes things go down without warning. It happens. In those cases, a sentence or two stating what happened after the site comes back up would be nice.

Some of you are acting like I am asking for the moon, or something. Remember, when we crunch for any of these projects, we are essentially doing a favor for the project administrator(s). We spend money on hardware and electricity, after all, and they get work completed on their project. This is a two way street... Well, it should be, anyway...
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Message 20172 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 0:49:30 UTC

Your request isn't unreasonable -- and I am hoping we'll get something of an explanation of events -- perhaps by the weekend.

That being said, as I noted at the onset of this outage on the projects status page when I reported the outage, I monitor things rather closely, and when a project goes dark, I typically shift to other projects fairly quickly.

I will also note that this project has been a bit more squirrelly over the past several months than in the past.

Might be a case of aging hardware, or flagging interest or other invasions of life.
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Message 20173 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 1:16:20 UTC

Maybe he had to go on an emergency and did not have time to update the news before he left? We all go through things. Maybe radio silence means he is working out whatever that emergency was? Please give the guy a break and let him give his explanation when he has time and/or gets through whatever may be causing him to not write anything at the moment.

Again, compassion is something that is not being seen by all the, give us an answer now. I always keep a project or two at 0 that are usually small and will kick back to Collatz when it returns. My machines do not go dry that way.
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Message 20174 - Posted: 10 Jan 2015, 11:06:36 UTC - in response to Message 20171.


Some of you are acting like I am asking for the moon, or something. Remember, when we crunch for any of these projects, we are essentially doing a favor for the project administrator(s). We spend money on hardware and electricity, after all, and they get work completed on their project. This is a two way street... Well, it should be, anyway...


Back in the early days of Boinc we were lucky if we were told ANYTHING even AFTER an outage! Communication has never been a strong suit for most scientists, or computer people, Boinc combines both! I remember one time Seti got their copper wire stolen right out of the ground and when they did come back up, after almost two weeks, it was like pulling teeth to find out why they had an outage. We users screamed and yelled, we asked nicely, but the project kept attracting people and kept providing workunits when they could. Now Seti IS better, as are most projects, but you still get one or two that don't say squat. Collatz is NOT one of those, Slicker is usually very communicative but this could be another of his families personal problems that he just won't discuss. It's his project and we can either contribute to it or not, his lack of communication in this instance, so far, won't affect my crunching either way.

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Message 20175 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 16:32:11 UTC - in response to Message 20172.

Might be a case of aging hardware, or flagging interest or other invasions of life.


Don't forget being in Nebraska over the holidays and my in-laws don't have Internet access... FYI, I managed to check it and then get it back up and running using the free wireless while at a rest stop.

I admit I should have done a better job of monitoring the project recently. What isn't visible are the hundreds of hours spent trying to come up with a kernel that works as efficiently as the current ones but runs on all of AMD's hardware. That's difficult when AMD's OpenCL driver optimization routes are buggier than the Alaskan tundra in summer.

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Message 20178 - Posted: 14 Jan 2015, 13:52:45 UTC

Slicker, I am happy to see the project back up and running and I am happier that the cause of the outage was not something tragic. I hope you had an enjoyable holiday in Nebraska and I deeply appreciate any efforts to get the kernel to work on all of AMD's hardware. I am particularly interested in seeing a kernel that runs on my problematic Macs - I would love to upgrade the OS on these machines beyond 10.8.x. In any event, thanks for all that you do on behalf of us crunchers!


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