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Message 8088 - Posted: 26 May 2010, 18:46:47 UTC

leaving collatz and boinc in general.. my friend and i were looking at some seti@home stuff, VERY RECENTLY, and suddenly he reported his antivirus software was uninstalled, and a spyware program installed over the top of it. about ten minutes later, sure enough; the seti@home servers went compeltely offline. i HAVE to take this at face value; i wont be returning. i'm sure i wont be felt. lots of workers have contributed to this project and will continue to do so, so i have faith that it will continue far into teh future. as for i, i refuse to put my computer on a unsafe network, just to do some number crunching for a buncha eggheads like myself. i'll keep it for more selfish reasons i guess.

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Message 8090 - Posted: 26 May 2010, 20:05:44 UTC - in response to Message 8088.

leaving collatz and boinc in general.. my friend and i were looking at some seti@home stuff, VERY RECENTLY, and suddenly he reported his antivirus software was uninstalled, and a spyware program installed over the top of it. about ten minutes later, sure enough; the seti@home servers went compeltely offline. i HAVE to take this at face value; i wont be returning. i'm sure i wont be felt. lots of workers have contributed to this project and will continue to do so, so i have faith that it will continue far into teh future. as for i, i refuse to put my computer on a unsafe network, just to do some number crunching for a buncha eggheads like myself. i'll keep it for more selfish reasons i guess.


Yesterday I ate fish and then wanted to go for a ride on my motorcycle but suddenly, the battery was dead. Eating fish causes motorcycle batteries to die!!!! Everyone should stop eating fish immediately!!!!!

Eating fish and dead batteries aren't related? Neither is Collatz, SETI, the BOINC client, and viruses. That's not to say that someone could potentially start up a project and use it to spread a virus, but it would be pretty easy to track it back to the source, not wouldn't it? It would also be affecting thousands of people and you and/or your friend's computer. In this particular case though, I am certain it was not BOINC related.

When your BOINC client requests work from a BOINC project, it first downloads the application and saves it do disk in the project folder. When BOINC decides to run the application, it copies it to the slots folder. So, your anti-virus had 4 times to check it for viruses (the initial download, reading it to copy to the slots folder, writing to the slots folder, and again when reading it begin execution of the task). That doesn't include scheduled scans of all drives. (You do those regularly, right?)

Let's assume for a minute that Collatz and/or SETI somehow targeted you and your friend's computers (although I'd still probably blame it on an evil plot by the Wraith, the Goa'uld, or the 4 people who shot John F. Kennedy myself). Collatz is a 100-400K executable depending upon the platform. That's K, not MB. How big is the average uninstall app? How large was the spyware that replaced it? Oops, that's right. Collatz must use some type of super compression. No? It must have downloaded the additional files then. But wait! Wouldn't the firewall have blocked that? (You are running the Windows 7 firewall, aren't you?) How could it stop the anti-virus services, overwrite them, and restart them unless you were logged on as administrators and agreed to let it do so? Since you are running Windows 7, did you disable all the security features so that it doesn't prompt you when it needs admin privs?

My guess is that someone's been visiting naughty web sites and/or clicking on links things they shouldn't have, exchanging funny email messages with their friends that contain attachments, etc. and that it had absolutely nothing to do with BOINC. But, just to be safe, you should probably disconnect all computers from the Internet and never use floppy disks, USB thumb drives, or exchange files or data with anyone else in the entire universe ever again. In fact, to be really safe, put your PC back in the box and ship it back to the manufacturer just in case the virus can also spread to people.

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Message 8092 - Posted: 26 May 2010, 22:03:05 UTC

University of Reading researcher Mark Gasson has become the first human known to be infected by a computer virus.

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Message 8103 - Posted: 27 May 2010, 12:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 8088.

leaving collatz and boinc in general.. my friend and i were looking at some seti@home stuff, VERY RECENTLY, and suddenly he reported his antivirus software was uninstalled, and a spyware program installed over the top of it. about ten minutes later, sure enough; the seti@home servers went compeltely offline. i HAVE to take this at face value; i wont be returning. i'm sure i wont be felt. lots of workers have contributed to this project and will continue to do so, so i have faith that it will continue far into teh future. as for i, i refuse to put my computer on a unsafe network, just to do some number crunching for a buncha eggheads like myself. i'll keep it for more selfish reasons i guess.


As Slicker said just because we can add, 2 and 2 does not always equal 4! In some math it equals 3, each number is an integer, so each 2 is an integer as is the result, making for 3 being the correct answer! Somethings are just not related and should be investigated further, I think your original hypothesis is flawed and the way to prove that is to do what you did. Stop using Boinc and see if your AV program keeps running, if it does than you may have a valid theory. BUT as slicker pointed out why is affecting you and you alone and not the MILLIONS of other Boinc users? I think the answer is more along the lines of user error and when you prove that you are welcome to come on back to Boinc! MOST people turn off their AV, spyware detectors, firewalls, etc because they interfere with what we perceive to be 'good behavior'. When in fact that behavior is why those very programs were created in the first place, to protect us from ourselves!

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Message 8105 - Posted: 27 May 2010, 12:15:32 UTC - in response to Message 8092.
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University of Reading researcher Mark Gasson has become the first human known to be infected by a computer virus.


Yeah... we are never safe where ever we go.. ;-))
And dont ever put a memory card in your ear, even if it by
the first thought could increase your memory dramatically... ;-p
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Message 8112 - Posted: 27 May 2010, 16:28:32 UTC

I'm not buying it either. Your computer is expected to take a hit on your resources, but never in the form of spyware, adware or viruses. I've been crunching SETI since 1999 and day and night since 2006. I've never gotten anything that remotely made me think I've gotten it because of BOINCing.

Even on the off-chance that something were to happen, any decent antivirus would be ringing off the hook.

BOINC goes a long way to ensure that people want to crunch. And dealing with viruses/adware/spyware, wouldn't make that possible.

I'm staying right where I am.
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Message 8114 - Posted: 27 May 2010, 16:31:04 UTC

II agree with you Alan.

Like you I have SETI Classic and BOINCed several projects 24/7 without trojans and virus attacks, but, then, what is my Firewall and AV software for?
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Message 8115 - Posted: 27 May 2010, 16:54:06 UTC

'ello Miss Moon!

Yeah... we are never safe where ever we go.. ;-))
And dont ever put a memory card in your ear, even if it by
the first thought could increase your memory dramatically... ;-p


Memory cards are the beta versions of Babelfishes, someone has to try them ;-)

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Message 8137 - Posted: 28 May 2010, 22:49:04 UTC

Ahh sweet paranoia.

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Message 8138 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 6:16:09 UTC - in response to Message 8115.

'ello Miss Moon!

Yeah... we are never safe where ever we go.. ;-))
And dont ever put a memory card in your ear, even if it by
the first thought could increase your memory dramatically... ;-p


Memory cards are the beta versions of Babelfishes, someone has to try them ;-)

But remember that eating babelfish causes babelbatteries to die!!!!

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Message 8139 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 6:53:40 UTC

I was wondering why SETI went down this time...

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Message 8147 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 13:53:21 UTC - in response to Message 8112.

I'm not buying it either. Your computer is expected to take a hit on your resources, but never in the form of spyware, adware or viruses. I've been crunching SETI since 1999 and day and night since 2006. I've never gotten anything that remotely made me think I've gotten it because of BOINCing.

Even on the off-chance that something were to happen, any decent antivirus would be ringing off the hook.

BOINC goes a long way to ensure that people want to crunch. And dealing with viruses/adware/spyware, wouldn't make that possible.

I'm staying right where I am.


I'm staying too, but I HAVE had some FALSE POSITIVES before! It never actually turned the AV off but the AV did scream that Boinc had a virus and was infecting my machine. After reading the boards it became obvious this was not true, EVERYONE can't be infected all at once! When I excluded the Boinc directories from the AV checking I have had no further problems. My theory being if Boinc were infected with a virus that virus would want to spread to my whole pc and then it would get caught, but if it stays within Boinc it is not my problem!

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Message 8154 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 17:03:28 UTC - in response to Message 8147.

I'm staying too, but I HAVE had some FALSE POSITIVES before!

Hell. One time I had a false positive on a Sony file. It was in the help page for Sony stuff. I deleted it, but I had just formatted my computer and re-installed Windows XP from the restore discs. There was nothing on it, except brand new Windows files. BitDefender is the one that reported it.

I searched and apparently I wasn't the only one with problems.
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Message 10157 - Posted: 4 Nov 2010, 8:25:21 UTC - in response to Message 8147.

When I excluded the Boinc directories from the AV checking I have had no further problems.

Way back when I started boincing in BBC Climate there were constant reminders that you should exclude your boinc folder in your anti-virus program or it might kill your tasks (a climate task after some months crunching is a very long task to lose to assasination).

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