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Message 8574 - Posted: 26 Jun 2010, 3:12:38 UTC

Collatz is now back on the old ISP which means the IP changed again and everyone gets to restart their BOINC client in order to upload or download work. Sorry about that.
Why? After spending several hours both online and on the phone, it was determined that the new ISP and I defined "unlimited use" differently. Their definition is "about 5GB per month" which Collatz exceeded easily this past week, whereas my definition of unlimited use is... unlimited use. Silly me. The search for a stable, low cost ISP begins again...

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Message 8575 - Posted: 26 Jun 2010, 3:20:17 UTC

It took about 4 hours for the IP address to propagate back to the Comcast one, from about 3:05 PDT it just went to clear.com.

I did not have to restart the client either.
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Message 8580 - Posted: 26 Jun 2010, 8:27:42 UTC

Neither did I. Nut a web site on WiFi was a shock when asking for a science project. <grin>
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Message 8585 - Posted: 26 Jun 2010, 10:08:17 UTC - in response to Message 8574.

Collatz is now back on the old ISP which means the IP changed again and everyone gets to restart their BOINC client in order to upload or download work. Sorry about that.
Why? After spending several hours both online and on the phone, it was determined that the new ISP and I defined "unlimited use" differently. Their definition is "about 5GB per month" which Collatz exceeded easily this past week, whereas my definition of unlimited use is... unlimited use. Silly me. The search for a stable, low cost ISP begins again...


Yeah they are like hard drive makers, using standard terms in their own way to mean non standard things! A friend just bought two 640GB hard drives, they each formatted out to about 590GB, he reformatted three times before he accepted it. He is still very unhappy! Although to be honest he isn't using 50GB on either of them!! He has XP on one and Win7 on the other one, dual booting them.

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Message 8596 - Posted: 26 Jun 2010, 23:44:42 UTC

How the heck do you advertise something being unlimited and give 5GB per month?

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Message 8598 - Posted: 27 Jun 2010, 12:04:41 UTC - in response to Message 8596.

How the heck do you advertise something being unlimited and give 5GB per month?


Creative lying?

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Message 8600 - Posted: 27 Jun 2010, 12:52:33 UTC

They even advertised that no streaming movie or video will choke their connection. Who would dare watch a movie or video knowing their monthly quota get used up in a matter of hours. Then will have to wait for 29 days to access the internet again? Chatting with web cams on will use up that 5gb fast.
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Message 8601 - Posted: 27 Jun 2010, 13:51:12 UTC - in response to Message 8596.

How the heck do you advertise something being unlimited and give 5GB per month?


They put an asterisk next to the work unlimited and refer to their acceptable use policy which states you get unlimited bandwidth so long as you don't use it continuously, host anything, affect the experience of other users, etc. even though they'll sell you a static IP address. So, after they oversell their bandwidth, they can randomly decide when you are affecting others by using up too much yourself and then warn you and/or shut you down.

When I signed up, I told the sales person I needed a static IP because I was going to be hosting a web site with ten thousand users. He didn't tell me that wasn't allowed. No, he just added it to my bill.

Anyway, they didn't cut me the service because it had gone over there limit, they cut it because I terminated the contract. I figured that was better than having them either limit the bandwidth or shut me down while being stuck in a 2 year contract. What irks me is that while they cut the service while I was on the phone, but I keep paying for the service until they receive the equipment back and then they decide how much the prorated rate should be.

Did I mention they try to get you to get a friend to sign up instead of sending the equipment back? Or sell it on Craig's List? You do get a $40 gift certificate for doing that. I don't know of anyone who doesn't either download music or subscribe to NetFlix, etc. I often have video streamed to my second monitor while working on the larger one. 5GB? That's one DVD per plus email and web browsing. What do I do the other 29 days that month?

The issues I ran into during the trial period:
1. the modem does the NAT, not their server and therefore can't be turned off
2. they need to get past their undocumented and very low bandwidth limits (let's all call it a limit because that's what it is - the exact number just isn't published)
3. The modem placement is very specific. If the cat walks by and bumps it even a quarter inch, your signal may decrease or drop. If that's the case, why not have an exterior modem that can be hard mounted? That's what Covad does and they guarantee their speed and bandwidth.
4. a good signal requires it be near a window which means you get to run cat 5e or cat 6 from the window where the modem near to get a signal all the way to where your computers are located or use wireless. Checking each window in the house takes forever since it requires about 5 minutes to boot and sync and then 20 seconds per 1/4" of rotation to find a signal. It isn't hard to do, it just takes all day. Naturally, Murphy was present and the first place I tried ended up being the best.
5. The modem is not compatible (a.k.a. "certified") to run with just any hub or router, although they are willing to sell you one. They won't support any others than the ones on their specific list. The tech support person I talked to didn't know of smoothwall, ipcop, or linux in general although linux is supposed to be supported. Well, it wouldn't work with my linux firewall or a Dell Gb switch, but it did work with a linksys router and allow those other things to be plugged into it. I just hate adding hubs/repeaters for no reason at all it does is slow things down.
6. If you ignore 1-5, it works pretty well.

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Message 8624 - Posted: 29 Jun 2010, 19:24:55 UTC

They were obviously basing their advertising and pricing upon typical home use customers. In your case you are into the business customer class, and as such will necessarily pay more. I doubt you will find a business class package at home usage costs.
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Message 8649 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 9:24:58 UTC

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to suggest low cost hosting providers, but I have one that I've used twice in the recent past. They are fairly cheap, depending on the type of hardware you are needing. they offer various bandwidth options, a shared 10mbit is the cheapest for dedicated servers(at least 1 TB of transfer), they have Virtual machines as well,
send me a pm if you want to know who specifically I am talking about, I don't want to "advertise" them unwantingly

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Message 8662 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 21:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 8649.

He does not need a host, just the ISP connection. He has all the hardware he needs in his house.
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Message 8664 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 11:51:34 UTC - in response to Message 8662.

He does not need a host, just the ISP connection. He has all the hardware he needs in his house.


I checked once about getting a T1 line into a house to set up my own ISP and it was over $1000.00 a month!

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Message 8671 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 14:32:05 UTC - in response to Message 8664.

He does not need a host, just the ISP connection. He has all the hardware he needs in his house.


I checked once about getting a T1 line into a house to set up my own ISP and it was over $1000.00 a month!


A T1 around here goes for about $250/mo plus installation w/ a 3yr contract. A single T1 would handle Collatz, but there wouldn't be any bandwidth left for other things such as working from home. So, that means 2 bonded T1s. We don't have DSL or a home phone because the AT&T service is not good in the area (20% wiring, 80% either lack of training, politics and unions, and/or just plain low IQs). We had both DSL and phone for a while, but when the DSL was down 50% of the time and the phone was down 10% of the time, we canceled both. Think a T1 line on that same last mile of wire would really work? I have my doubts.

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Message 8674 - Posted: 3 Jul 2010, 2:33:38 UTC - in response to Message 8671.

He does not need a host, just the ISP connection. He has all the hardware he needs in his house.


I checked once about getting a T1 line into a house to set up my own ISP and it was over $1000.00 a month!


A T1 around here goes for about $250/mo plus installation w/ a 3yr contract. A single T1 would handle Collatz, but there wouldn't be any bandwidth left for other things such as working from home. So, that means 2 bonded T1s. We don't have DSL or a home phone because the AT&T service is not good in the area (20% wiring, 80% either lack of training, politics and unions, and/or just plain low IQs). We had both DSL and phone for a while, but when the DSL was down 50% of the time and the phone was down 10% of the time, we canceled both. Think a T1 line on that same last mile of wire would really work? I have my doubts.


That hosting provider I told you about in the private message also does co location, that would be the cheapest option if you have your own hardware, and not willing to use hardware they provide like a dedicated server.

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Message 8675 - Posted: 3 Jul 2010, 11:06:19 UTC - in response to Message 8671.

He does not need a host, just the ISP connection. He has all the hardware he needs in his house.


I checked once about getting a T1 line into a house to set up my own ISP and it was over $1000.00 a month!


A T1 around here goes for about $250/mo plus installation w/ a 3yr contract. A single T1 would handle Collatz, but there wouldn't be any bandwidth left for other things such as working from home. So, that means 2 bonded T1s. We don't have DSL or a home phone because the AT&T service is not good in the area (20% wiring, 80% either lack of training, politics and unions, and/or just plain low IQs). We had both DSL and phone for a while, but when the DSL was down 50% of the time and the phone was down 10% of the time, we canceled both. Think a T1 line on that same last mile of wire would really work? I have my doubts.


Me too!

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Message 8692 - Posted: 4 Jul 2010, 20:58:32 UTC

I never will complain about Deutsche Telekom again facing the problems you have in the U.S. Deutsche Telekom provides a VDSL line, ISDN telefone (5 lines/5 numbers), Internet TV for a 130 Euros flat rate. Reliable connectivity, pretty quick and professional support (free call numbers) and all required hardware for free including a harddisk receiver for the TV.
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Message 8694 - Posted: 4 Jul 2010, 22:17:15 UTC

@weather ... you are so mean xD

don't tell them from our Land of Cockaigne ;)

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Message 8702 - Posted: 5 Jul 2010, 11:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 8692.

I never will complain about Deutsche Telekom again facing the problems you have in the U.S. Deutsche Telekom provides a VDSL line, ISDN telefone (5 lines/5 numbers), Internet TV for a 130 Euros flat rate. Reliable connectivity, pretty quick and professional support (free call numbers) and all required hardware for free including a harddisk receiver for the TV.


Yeah Comcast/Infinity is not doing good by Collatz are they!

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Message 8768 - Posted: 10 Jul 2010, 14:24:23 UTC

Just out of curiosity: What does the Comcast line cost and what are the line specs?

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Message 9647 - Posted: 11 Sep 2010, 5:08:22 UTC - in response to Message 8768.

Got a 100Mbit down 10Mbit up line thats hardly used. Glad to host if the server reqs aren't to high


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