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Message 790 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 18:44:10 UTC

I have gone from 87 (I think) to 83 invalid results, but no increase in credits. I am guessing the invalid results are decreasing because some of them are getting too old to be included in the count, at least for the task overview web page.

But that's just a guess.
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Message 791 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 22:33:19 UTC - in response to Message 790.  
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I've noticed that also. My 89 Invalids have dropped to 59 but where has the credit of 30 x 36,666 avg per unit gone??
Not to me obviously. :-(
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Message 792 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 23:01:54 UTC

Same here! Invalids cancelled and no credit. I guess my electricity and computer time are "Gone With the Wind". just like last time.
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Message 793 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 7:05:51 UTC - in response to Message 792.  

I believe that this thread is called "use at your own risk"
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Message 794 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 7:05:59 UTC - in response to Message 792.  

I believe that this thread is called "use at your own risk"
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Message 795 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 7:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 792.  

I believe that this thread is called "use at your own risk"
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Message 796 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 7:34:35 UTC - in response to Message 790.  
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I have gone from 87 (I think) to 83 invalid results, but no increase in credits. I am guessing the invalid results are decreasing because some of them are getting too old to be included in the count, at least for the task overview web page.


I doubt they will vanish once they are too old to be listed on the web page. They will all still be in the database ...

But ...

You'll probably find that each job was reissued when the invalid flag was set, and since then there will have been other, later invalid attempts at the same task.

Unfortunately, IIRC, when your attempt is invalid and another host is assigned the job, your effort is negated and the credits go to the next most recent one in the chain of attempts ... and so on up to the latest, who will get the credits.

There again, I'm not experienced in the way the validation and credit awarding algorithms are written but I think I read as much higher up this forum.[[/quote]
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Message 797 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 7:34:43 UTC - in response to Message 790.  
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Oops .. shaky hands again - Sorry
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Message 798 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 11:47:30 UTC

Back to this again?
4480296
3688757
44441
12 Jul 2018, 9:37:11 UTC
18 Jul 2018, 3:19:40 UTC
Completed, validation inconclusive
492,091.80
396,931.30
pending
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Message 804 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 20:41:05 UTC - in response to Message 798.  

The validate inconclusive result issue should be fixed now. For whatever reason, some windows apps are not reporting the elapsed time correctly and one of the validator rules is to make sure that the WU runtime is reasonable. For example, if a WU finishes in only 3 seconds, there's no way it is valid. So rather than get the elapsed time from the WU, it now counts on the run time reported by the BOINC client for the non-GPU windows apps. There were 87 such results that have now been revalidated and granted credit.
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Message 805 - Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 21:04:12 UTC - in response to Message 804.  

I had some odd ones - reported as having taken 44,440 seconds or something like that. I have been swapping hardware and it occurred on a machine that had a mobo replaced. I think 2 machines were sharing the same CPID as boinc reads from MAC address right? My fault I think. Sorry if I buggered anything up.
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Message 819 - Posted: 22 Jul 2018, 16:01:03 UTC

Slicker, can you give an update on the re-validation of the invalid WU's?
Are you still working on it, or are those credits lost forever?
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Message 820 - Posted: 23 Jul 2018, 22:17:25 UTC - in response to Message 819.  

I had a weird blip on freedc stats a couple days ago where each of my machines got a few extra points - a few million when all added up. Not sure what caused it. I run my machines 24/7 and their scores are pretty steady, so this was definitely out of the ordinary. Anyone else notice the same thing?
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Message 821 - Posted: 23 Jul 2018, 23:32:29 UTC - in response to Message 820.  

No. Just the usual, slow, return to each host’s normal maximum RAC :(
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Message 832 - Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 14:12:37 UTC - in response to Message 560.  

I posted to the "Number Crunching" thread before finding this thread, my apologies for the duplication.

Link to the original thread (which can be deleted if desired): https://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/forum_thread.php?id=38&postid=828

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Any insight into why all the fully validated CPU-based work units are not receiving credit?

Configuration:
Fri Jul 13 09:28:10 2018 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.12.0 for x86_64-apple-darwin
Fri Jul 13 09:28:10 2018 | | log flags: file_xfer, task, slot_debug
Fri Jul 13 09:28:10 2018 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.58.0 OpenSSL/1.1.0g zlib/1.2.11 c-ares/1.13.0
Fri Jul 13 09:28:10 2018 | | Data directory: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data
Fri Jul 13 09:28:12 2018 | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GT 750M (driver version 10.30.33 355.11.10.10.35.101, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1024MB, 1024MB available, 156 GFLOPS peak)
Fri Jul 13 09:28:12 2018 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570S CPU @ 2.90GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Apple, driver version 1.1, device version OpenCL 1.2)
Fri Jul 13 09:28:12 2018 | | App version needs CUDA but GPU doesn't support it
Fri Jul 13 09:28:12 2018 | Moo! Wrapper | Application uses missing NVIDIA GPU
Fri Jul 13 09:28:12 2018 | | Host name: Jons-iMac.local
Fri Jul 13 09:28:12 2018 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570S CPU @ 2.90GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3]
Fri Jul 13 09:28:12 2018 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clfsh ds acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pbe pni pclmulqdq dtes64 mon dscpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 fma cx16 tpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt aes pcid xsave osxsave seglim64 tsctmr avx rdrand f16c
Fri Jul 13 09:28:13 2018 | | OS: Mac OS X 10.13.5 (Darwin 17.6.0)
Fri Jul 13 09:28:13 2018 | | Memory: 8.00 GB physical, 752.20 GB virtual
Fri Jul 13 09:28:13 2018 | | Disk: 930.71 GB total, 751.96 GB free
Fri Jul 13 09:28:13 2018 | | Local time is UTC -4 hours


Sample of CPU-based work units not receiving credit:
Task: 4754008 Status: Completed and Validated Run Time (secs): 438694.07 CPU Time (secs): 422096.00 Credit: 0.00
Task: 4506389 Status: Completed and Validated Run Time (secs): 823538.49 CPU Time (secs): 792094.00 Credit: 0.00
Task: 4499348 Status: Completed and Validated Run Time (secs): 830577.11 CPU Time (secs): 799766.90 Credit: 0.00

Thanks in advance.

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Message 833 - Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 15:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 820.  

If you run World Community Grid they just came back after being down due to EU GDPR issues. I received a few hundred K points when they rejoined the party.
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Message 834 - Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 20:43:34 UTC - in response to Message 833.  

I like WCG - but they are still cpu only right? What kind of points do you get for hours spent? I am a bit of a points tart, which is why you’ll find me lurking here in Collatz for some time. Used to crunch WCG, as I like humankind, and graphics with projects too. Remember getting RAC’s of 2-3k a few years ago on a mid range four core
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Message 835 - Posted: 29 Jul 2018, 11:18:09 UTC - in response to Message 834.  

I like WCG - but they are still cpu only right? What kind of points do you get for hours spent? I am a bit of a points tart, which is why you’ll find me lurking here in Collatz for some time. Used to crunch WCG, as I like humankind, and graphics with projects too. Remember getting RAC’s of 2-3k a few years ago on a mid range four core


Try http://cpu.goofyxgridathome.net/ for max points for cpu crunching then.
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Message 837 - Posted: 29 Jul 2018, 15:57:58 UTC

Slicker, can you give us an update on the invalid results?

I can live with the lost credits, but unless you keep the volunteers posted on a regular basis, I won't donate processing power.

It's the lack of communication that is killing this project for me.
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Message 842 - Posted: 30 Jul 2018, 14:27:02 UTC - in response to Message 834.  

WCG is CPU only. I too am a point tart but I am an IBMer and a WCG badge tart. I gave up on crunching for $. Too many goliaths and it just wasn't fun any more. So my CPUs run WCG, my GPUs run Collatz and I have fun watching progression BoincStats and WCG.
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