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Message 931 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 3:59:11 UTC - in response to Message 930.  
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Coin volunteers help the project with science results and by bringing new crunching volunteers to the project.

Coin volunteers also by impact or destabilize some projects with Load and impact. It is a win / lose deal. Part of life....

For us non-coin volunteers we were here before ... we are here with and if the coin volunteers leave we will be here after.

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Message 932 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 11:39:43 UTC - in response to Message 930.  

Happily Collatz has been included again and I have resumed. :-)
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Message 934 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 17:20:22 UTC - in response to Message 930.  

8 magnitude for 2.5 million is weird. Should be more like 22 at the current level.
What pool do you belong to?
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Message 938 - Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 20:55:53 UTC - in response to Message 929.  

If you are solo mining you can easily see the drop in the magnitude reported alongside any reward for your CPID.

My mag is usually over 700 and comes mostly from just two projects. Payment on the 21st was mag 355 and on the 14th it was mag 335 because Collatz had been excluded both times :(

Really annoying that Collatz exclusions seem to coincide with my reward days...
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Message 951 - Posted: 29 Aug 2018, 12:53:08 UTC

Excluded again...

https://gridcoinstats.eu/project
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Message 952 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 17:31:20 UTC - in response to Message 951.  

Bummer. Was just about to plug a 4th AMD gpu into my MacBook Pro for extra points... the nvidia card I’ve been testing with works, but the remaining time estimate per task is way off, like by >12hrs. Actual time is like 260 seconds, so I run out of work real quick and boinc doesn’t download more tasks for the nvidia gpu. With all amd gpu’s this wont be an issue.
Hope collatz gets back in the grc network soon!!
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Message 953 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 20:11:34 UTC - in response to Message 952.  

Hello everyone,
I read all the messages.
Always the same "Gridcoin" team and GRC are frustrated because sometimes they are excluded from stats.
I can understand it.
BUT, i repeat in capital BUT, if they will stop to manipulate results to receive "glory" of crunching, using ghost host who manipulate results,
it will not happens !!!
Enough with this crypto money. Yes for real research.
Can someone explain me with real prouve, how is it possible that after a few hours, such team, crunch WU on FormulaBoinc, more than all the rest of the world
in a few days ???
I agree, the team have a lot of hosts. I agree there are the most powerfull host around the world !?!?!?!?
But impossible to crunch in a few minuts, more WU then all the planet.
Unless, and it is the only possibility : they have ALL super calculator.
But when I look the hosts, very strange again, some hosts have very little CPU (dual Core, 2.2Ghz) but those are able to crunch ten times more in a few minuts than a Ryzen7 16 Cores
Who can explain ??? Nobody can explain !!!
So, i suppose I am very stupid, and I will resell my hosts to buy Intel P4 or perhaps less : Intel 486 at 512Mhz !!!
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Message 956 - Posted: 31 Aug 2018, 10:15:08 UTC - in response to Message 953.  

Your hypothesis is that we are are cheating.

That's for you to prove.

Obsessing over CPUs on a GPU project makes me think that you'd be very unlikely to succeed even if somebody was cheating.

Have you considered upgrading your own GPUs?

You could double your current total RAC with just one of your four computers and a single GTX 960.

Stick at 1080ti in each and you'd be getting close to 44,000,000 credits a day.

No cheating required...
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Message 957 - Posted: 31 Aug 2018, 10:25:13 UTC - in response to Message 952.  

We are back in business now :)

SETI & NFS as well as Collatz were excluded that time too.

Great to see Darwin on the first page of the hosts list BTW.

I'm waiting for more of the mining boys to give up. Facebook Marketplace has more and more cheap rigs every day, but the prices are still a little too high for an 8x RX 580 setup.

With another hike in electricity prices here in the UK it shouldn't be long before there are some real bargains to be had.
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Message 997 - Posted: 8 Sep 2018, 5:04:59 UTC

What in the World has happened to this project?
It has been months since I have been able to run any task at all. Everything I start has time of completion estimates in 3000+ days. All this talk of cheating and Bitcoins. Seems like a number of individuals are always constantly arguing and fighting over this. Have yet to understand why only this Bionic project has been so badly crippled by this so called "cheating". This can't be so greatly different then any other Bionic projects as far as these things go. I watch and read and see no progress towards any solutions. Maybe just a sad end to a dead or dying project. If so too bad , I enjoyed the time spent here......
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Message 999 - Posted: 8 Sep 2018, 12:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 953.  

Hello everyone,
I read all the messages.
Always the same "Gridcoin" team and GRC are frustrated because sometimes they are excluded from stats.
I can understand it.
BUT, i repeat in capital BUT, if they will stop to manipulate results to receive "glory" of crunching, using ghost host who manipulate results,
it will not happens !!!
Enough with this crypto money. Yes for real research.
Can someone explain me with real prouve, how is it possible that after a few hours, such team, crunch WU on FormulaBoinc, more than all the rest of the world
in a few days ???
I agree, the team have a lot of hosts. I agree there are the most powerfull host around the world !?!?!?!?
But impossible to crunch in a few minuts, more WU then all the planet.
Unless, and it is the only possibility : they have ALL super calculator.
But when I look the hosts, very strange again, some hosts have very little CPU (dual Core, 2.2Ghz) but those are able to crunch ten times more in a few minuts than a Ryzen7 16 Cores
Who can explain ??? Nobody can explain !!!
So, i suppose I am very stupid, and I will resell my hosts to buy Intel P4 or perhaps less : Intel 486 at 512Mhz !!!


You say in one statement "I agree, the team have a lot of hosts" then in another statement you say "But when I look the hosts, very strange again, some hosts have very little CPU (dual Core, 2.2Ghz) but those are able to crunch ten times more in a few minuts than a Ryzen7 16 Cores
Who can explain ??? Nobody can explain !!!"

The problem is the two statements by you are NOT related!! We do not use CPU's to crunch here, we use GPU's!! I have an Nvidia 1080Ti gpu running just fine in a dual core pc running windows 10, NO cpu units are being crunched but it can make about 10 MILLION credits per day here all by itself if I brought it here!! Your Ryzen7 16 core machine has a very nice cpu in it, but it STILL can't compete with an optimized high end gpu. If your own gpu's were newer you might begin to understand the possibilities of what the newer gpu's can do for someones RAC.

I would suggest you take your Ryzen7 over to http://cpu.goofyxgridathome.net/ as they are by far the best paying cpu project in Boinc today! That project does NOT use gpu's at all but you can just pound out the credits with your cpu's.
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Message 1001 - Posted: 8 Sep 2018, 15:07:57 UTC

Unbelievable what is going on here..... Been fun enjoyed helping the project. As it stands first time I will feel no great need to check back in with the status of a project. This has been months of bickering and arguing and getting nowhere. Just useless time reading judgments and opinions without any hard facts. Personally I see it all going nowhere why not take the whole "mess" off-line for some indefinite period of time. Been fun ….. by the looks of things you will need more than a simple Good Luck.....
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Message 1033 - Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 18:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 999.  

Seems like he just can't get it through his thick skull that GPUs are more powerful than CPUs, hence the reason they are used here. Some people just don't have a clue! Smdh.
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Message 1039 - Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 17:56:53 UTC
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<The real issue behind (some) GC user has nothing to do with a confusion between CPU and GPU (there).>

Edit : Maybe I'm confusing with several issues here, time went by... what I remember is a problem of "fake results" = loads of tasks being apparently calculated in a few seconds by anonymous hosts (no GPU) by GC users, and a discussion where a GC "admin" (or at least power user) would come in the topic and comment they were actually fighting that at their end in GC, so it was not fantasy... but now I'd have to find the real discussion / forum / topic about this...
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Message 1040 - Posted: 17 Sep 2018, 10:45:21 UTC - in response to Message 1039.  

<The real issue behind (some) GC user has nothing to do with a confusion between CPU and GPU (there).>

Edit : Maybe I'm confusing with several issues here, time went by... what I remember is a problem of "fake results" = loads of tasks being apparently calculated in a few seconds by anonymous hosts (no GPU) by GC users, and a discussion where a GC "admin" (or at least power user) would come in the topic and comment they were actually fighting that at their end in GC, so it was not fantasy... but now I'd have to find the real discussion / forum / topic about this...


GC was not the problem and still isn't, it was a user who cheated and got caught, and yes they did happen to be a member of the GC community, but they could have been a member of any team or even no team. Your own team has thousands if not tens of thousands of members, are you going sit here and say that not one single one of them has ever cheated? I would HOPE you could, and that I could say the same thing about my own team, but I can't say that and neither can you, waaay too many people involved that we don't personally know. And in point of fact an Admin at GC was one of the people who pointed out the cheating to the Admin here at Collatz saying that the results needed checking because their results were outside the norm.
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Message 1044 - Posted: 17 Sep 2018, 20:17:09 UTC

Of course there will be cheaters anywhere, in any domain of human activity. But when there is money to be won, the temptation is so much stronger, and so are the candidates.

That's one of the issues with GC IMHO.
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Message 1045 - Posted: 17 Sep 2018, 21:18:37 UTC - in response to Message 1044.  

The money is earned, not won, and the process is completely transparent -- so you can see exactly how much each CPID is earning from Gridcoin and the projects that they are crunching.

This transparency and the pool of tech savvy Gridcoin users means that cheats can be spotted quickly.

It also means that bad code which may be over- or under-rewarding certain OS and hardware configurations is also highlighted and fixed by the different project admins too.

The rewards are very modest. My Collatz RAC of over 46,000,000 currently generates the equivalent of $1.7 a day. That's not enough to cover the cost of the electricity required to generate that RAC.
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Message 1051 - Posted: 19 Sep 2018, 7:19:05 UTC - in response to Message 1045.  

And even more modest this morning. Equivalent of $1 a day now as the value of GC has collapsed against the dollar.
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Message 1056 - Posted: 20 Sep 2018, 3:44:09 UTC - in response to Message 1051.  

Seems extremely modest if a person has spent any serious money on GPU's and as you say electricity and air conditioning.

Why would a person want to do GC for that return ?

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Message 1085 - Posted: 26 Sep 2018, 16:46:34 UTC - in response to Message 1056.  

What seems like a modest amount today could be much larger in 10 years time. I’ll be happy if grc goes to 10 cents after I hodl for 10 years, though a dollar or two would mean early retirement for me!
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