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Message 1087 - Posted: 27 Sep 2018, 12:09:18 UTC - in response to Message 1056.  

Seems extremely modest if a person has spent any serious money on GPU's and as you say electricity and air conditioning.

Why would a person want to do GC for that return ?

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Because they are hoping that the price for a Bitcoin will once again hit over $12,000 each as opposed to the near $6,000 it is now. That would mean every dollar made today would be worth twice that much, where else can you get that kind of return on your investment? Especially if you are crunching with the stuff anyway!!
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Message 1099 - Posted: 29 Sep 2018, 11:54:09 UTC - in response to Message 1087.  

That'll never happen.

GridCoin is nothing like Bitcoin. New Bitcoin can't be minted.

New GridCoins are minted every day -- mostly to pay interest to those who do no work whatsoever but have huge holdings (a fatal design flaw stupidly copied from our existing banking system).
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Message 1128 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 18:16:11 UTC - in response to Message 847.  
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Greylisted again ? ...

It doesn't appear to be the case according to the Cridcooinlists, but Collatz seems to be missing from the list of projects on my https://www.gridcoinstats.eu/cpid/ page again ...

What's happening ?

Greylisting is an automatic feature when a project runs out of tasks or stats cant be retrieved for some reason. For exemple since GDPR happened, some projects are greylisted until stats can be retrieved. Unlike a blacklisted project, a greylisted project doesnt need to be voted to be added to the whitelist again.

Hello everyone
A little thinkink out my mind !!!
I see on the majority of forums on all BOINC project the same thing : GridCoin/GRC poll problems.
Everywhere the same.
The biggest most of us are honnest cruncher who spent time, power, and electric to help science.
Some have very powerfull hosts, some less powerfull. Not a matter.
Like says philosoph "Pierre de Coubertin" about Olympics games : the most important is to participate.

Very strange is that Gridcoin/GRC, do not participate to projects who give very low credits
(Acoustic, CAS, BURP, DENIS, Gerasim, ODLK, Rake,.....)
Look only the stats on SETIBZH and Formula BOINC !

In fact, there are mining BOINC it self !!!

Look the stats and average credit on SETI !!!
With only 7000 members, they crunch 4 times more than the most honnest SET Germany with four times more members !!!

So they are 16 (sixteen) time much more powerfull.
I not speak about the hidden team GRC who is able with only 60 members and only 37 active to crunch two times more than Germay with 30,000 members !!!
The ratio is in million !!!
What kid of hosts they have ???
Strange !!!
Best regards from the first Belgian team admin.



It's probably the pools that skew those numbers. The grcpool itself has a lot of users (thousands) split on 3 CPIDs as you can see here https://grcpool.com/project/poolStats

There's another pool as well as 2 charity group things that have many hosts.
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Message 1155 - Posted: 14 Oct 2018, 13:09:06 UTC

Collatz has been excluded from Gridcoin again :(

Along with Primegrid and SETI too.

https://gridcoinstats.eu/project
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Message 1156 - Posted: 14 Oct 2018, 15:58:50 UTC - in response to Message 1099.  
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That isn't true -- new Bitcoins are mined everyday.
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Message 1158 - Posted: 15 Oct 2018, 8:25:28 UTC - in response to Message 1155.  

Collatz has been excluded from Gridcoin again :(

Along with Primegrid and SETI too.

https://gridcoinstats.eu/project

Who cares. If you want to complain do it at that gridcoin site.
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Message 1159 - Posted: 15 Oct 2018, 10:24:52 UTC - in response to Message 1158.  

Who cares. If you want to complain do it at that gridcoin site.


Who cares?

The largest and most productive team on this project.

And why complain to Gridcoin when the exclusions are usually caused by flaky hardware and administration on the project side?
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Message 1160 - Posted: 15 Oct 2018, 10:27:54 UTC - in response to Message 1156.  

That isn't true -- new Bitcoins are mined everyday.


I said "minted" not "mined".

More GRC are minted every two years than the total number (21 million) of BTC that will *ever* exist.
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Message 1162 - Posted: 15 Oct 2018, 10:47:34 UTC - in response to Message 1159.  
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Who cares. If you want to complain do it at that gridcoin site.


Who cares?

The largest and most productive team on this project.

And why complain to Gridcoin when the exclusions are usually caused by flaky hardware and administration on the project side?

If you take part in the project for the project great but then don't mention gridcoin.
If you take part for the gridcoin, move on to a other project. Goodby.
And if you don't want to move on, at least make a separate thread for your complaints so that I can ignore your whinging.
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Message 1164 - Posted: 15 Oct 2018, 21:29:27 UTC - in response to Message 1162.  

If you take part in the project for the project great but then don't mention gridcoin.
If you take part for the gridcoin, move on to a other project. Goodby.
And if you don't want to move on, at least make a separate thread for your complaints so that I can ignore your whinging.

Thanks for your interest.

Our 1783 team members will be delighted to hear the news that Collatz is included again.
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Message 1184 - Posted: 19 Oct 2018, 23:41:03 UTC - in response to Message 1033.  

Now that was a real intelligent response. Hope fully by the sound of it someone is just having a bad day..... It would be more polite the future if you can eliminate the name calling and come up with a more intelligent and appropriate opinion whether it be positive or negative one.
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Message 1189 - Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 3:51:10 UTC - in response to Message 883.  

4 more validator versions later and results are now being granted credit.

Now to figure out how to resubmit all the WUs to be re-validated so they can get credit. MySQL runs out of memory if I submit all but submitting 1k and a time could take me weeks and in the mean time, others may turn in a valid result negating the original even thought it was valid.


Slicker,

It's been 24 days since your last update on the re-validation. Please put us out of our misery:
- Are you still working on it?
- Are the credits lost forever?

You should at least answer one of those questions.


I have WUs going back to June and still waiting for the credits.
I run the CPU WUs and as I do many other projects I just do a few at a time.
Linux is still not being credited for work done (I have 12 of these waiting)
Windows is now working and being credited but I still have one from before the fix that needs crediting as well.
That makes 13 to get credit (at the moment with another 2 being worked on).

I have sent some PMs but have not heard back for awhile now, last response I got indicated that Slicker was flat out at his work an was having trouble getting the time to catch up on things, not sure how he going now.

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Message 1191 - Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 23:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 1189.  

Frankly waiting for a credit is not that big of a deal. The points we make is just a gauge to show that we are working on a project to find something out period. If you think that points is critical to hanging out with the true science geeks then maybe you should stick to mining coins or maybe gaming with the extra time. If those missing points are so important you are missing the whole point! Just my two cents as a major Math Geek and yes I missed a few million points during the whole cheat issue. Frankly one ID should be limited to say 24 computers....not hard to get another ID is it! Science is the reason we came and the reason we stay - not points!
Just me being a Math Geek!
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Message 1193 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 8:07:14 UTC - in response to Message 1191.  

Frankly waiting for a credit is not that big of a deal. The points we make is just a gauge to show that we are working on a project to find something out period. If you think that points is critical to hanging out with the true science geeks then maybe you should stick to mining coins or maybe gaming with the extra time. If those missing points are so important you are missing the whole point! Just my two cents as a major Math Geek and yes I missed a few million points during the whole cheat issue. Frankly one ID should be limited to say 24 computers....not hard to get another ID is it! Science is the reason we came and the reason we stay - not points!


Mr Maths Geek,
I thank you for input, but if you were aiming your post at me then I would suggest you re-read my post.
I only run the CPU work units, not GPU work units, so mining coins and gaming are not really a viable thing to do.
If I was really harping on about the credits (which would be nice to get by the way), I would not have been this quiet for the last 5 months.
You only have to look at our respective totals to see that, a loss of a few million to your total is not the same a a loss of a few million to my total (1,933,217,125 verses 111,813,240).

I respect that Slicker has a life and an outside job, so this project comes at a lower priority, and I await his input and resolution to any issues that the project shoves in his face.

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Message 1195 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 13:24:19 UTC - in response to Message 1193.  

Same electric used just process. I also do some CPU from years ago but GPU now as the tax the system less and get far more results. I think Jon knows the issue and much of the data was corrupted but the threading and work unit issues. They are fixed now but still the issue of other effecting the system for a coin is still present. Science work by a group is always an issue as some in this case are effecting the other good people. Will it get fixed like I said before Jon is more interested in the out put from this point forward and digging for something that takes huge hours for a small gain is low, very low on that list. Keep crunching away is all I can say and if the science is what you seek stay if points are the course other projects are open. Good luck on your future efforts and remember forward is always best!
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Message 1204 - Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 15:15:13 UTC

This info from Primegrid may be of interest to Jon?

Appears that Gridcoin have been inadvertently DDOSing project servers by having a huge number of hosts demand project stats at exactly the same time:

In early September I noticed that PrimeGrid was virtually unreachable for a few minutes. It turns out there was a DDOS attack against us, but it was a short lived attack. It only lasted a few minutes. Some investigation determined that this had been happening about once a day for a while, but since it was short in duration nobody really noticed.

By now you probably have guessed where this story is going.

Gridcoin needs our statistics, and collects them by having a large number of host computers each collect our stats files. At pretty much the exact same time. And these are really large files. While we have a fairly hefty server, and a decent pipe to the Internet, Gridcoin *is* a significant player at PrimeGrid, and all those hosts (over a thousand) downloading those large files at the same time was completely saturating our Internet connection.

PrimeGrid isn't the largest BOINC project, but we're up there, and our servers are more powerful than most. I'm not saying that to brag. The point is that if Gridcoin can effectively, albeit unintentionally, mount a successful DDOS attack against PrimeGrid's servers, imagine what Gridcoin is doing to all the other BOINC sites with much smaller hardware. Their only saving grace is that their stats files are almost certainly smaller than ours, and they may have fewer Gridcoiners (is that a word?) on their system. Nevertheless, this method of gathering the statistics is undoubtedly affecting many BOINC sites adversely. What is certain is that it has been making PrimeGrid's server unreachable for periods of time. That's unacceptable. Except for the fact that this is clearly unintentional, it would literally be criminal.

Back in September I reached out to Gridcoin. There's a fix in the pipeline. Things will hopefully be back to normal soon, minus the DDOS part.

We're not the bad guys here. Nor is Gridcoin. Everyone is working together to get this working.


Message link: http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=8229&nowrap=true#121175
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Message 1205 - Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 20:51:39 UTC

Gridcoin - how much of your processing is used toward the project and what toward the production of COIN threading (blockchain)?
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