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Message 18949 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 13:55:43 UTC

The majority of BOINC projects are using CreditNew and includes all the largest projects. After much deliberation and more than a few run-ins with the credit cops, Collatz will switch to the CreditNew system beginning tomorrow.

I expect both the GPU and CPU credits will be drastically reduced because of this change but it will result in cross project parity at a level never before seen in BOINC. Since the basis of CreditNew is that credit is based on hardware across projects and not how well the hardware works on any one project, some changes to the applications will also be required. Not all projects have 64-bit applications or can make use of 64-bit math. As a result, a user running 32-bit windows on his 64-bit processor today only gets half as much credit because he only works half as fast as the user with a 64-bit operating system. That just isn't fair. The user doing half the work should get the same amount of credit because he has the same CPU. So, I will be removing all 64-bit Collatz applications. In addition, all assembly language and intrinsic optimizations will also be removed so that the applications run at a level that compares with the BOINC benchmarks since the benchmarks do not take into account any of those optimizations.

GPU optimizations will also be removed and all applications will be downgraded where ever possible to the oldest possible version. For example, CUDA 1.0 will now be the standard so that the project does not take advantage of any features not supported by the oldest nVidia GPU as it wouldn't be fair to the person who spend hundreds of dollars on a new GPU to get more credits just because his hardware works faster at certain calculations. The new Collatz GPU applications will only be allowed to run a few times faster than the CPU applications. That will allow Collatz to achieve parity with projects which have GPU applications that can't run in parallel very well. In order to assure that the oldest software will be used, all applications will be migrated to COBOL and entered via punch cards.

If your CPU or GPU is currently overclocked, you can dial it back since it will no longer matter. It has been said that credits are not worth anything. I think the contrary is true. Credits cost money. You hardware will now last longer because of this change and the result is that it will save you money. If you stop crunching altogether, just think how much money you will have!

Sure, some will see the lower credits at Collatz as a bad thing. But, think of it this way... While the credit will go down in Collatz, it really won't matter since all the Collatz applications will run at a level not seen since Apple IIe and DEC PDP-11s. You won't have to worry that your computer is getting less credits while using the same amount of electricity because even if you switch to another project, your credits and electric bill will remain constant. You will get less credit but the CEO's of the power companies will still get their bonuses thanks to your contributions.

Finally, because new volunteers who join the project won't ever be able to catch up to the credit leaders due to the switch to using CreditNew, the total credits will also be adjusted for all users, hosts, and teams. You will see an 80% reduction. But, on the bright side, you will be able to achieve those mega milestones tracked at FreeDC all over again!

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Message 18950 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 14:24:00 UTC

nice april fool :D

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Message 18951 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 14:46:12 UTC - in response to Message 18950.

Good one Jon !!!

...made my stomach turn around for a few seconds =)

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Message 18952 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 14:48:30 UTC

Naughty Man ..... :)

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Message 18953 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 15:02:04 UTC - in response to Message 18951.

Good one Jon !!!

...made my stomach turn around for a few seconds =)
yea a few seconds too long.

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Message 18955 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 17:44:36 UTC

omg , omg, omg ..... oh april fools day :)

if this is reposted at Seti, there will be a party ......

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Message 18956 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 17:52:40 UTC - in response to Message 18955.



Yes, april fools day for Collatz, but real actuality at a lot of other projects.

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Message 18957 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 18:11:45 UTC - in response to Message 18949.

I am new to Disturbing Computing.
This is all getting very complicated.
Does this mean I will need a punch card interface for the Android device to make changes to my project preferences?
Or will all that punch card activity take place on the application end?
If it is just a credit question, then why not let us help the project and support the power grid without giving any credits at all?
Come to think of it... I would really rather use a more efficient electron moving machine, like say, my refrigerator to accomplish that goal.
I am going to have to rethink my participation in this project if you are going to continue to give credits and badges. I don't want either one.

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Message 18958 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 18:32:52 UTC

COBOL and punch cards. lol

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Message 18959 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 18:54:47 UTC
Last modified: 1 Apr 2014, 18:56:44 UTC

Happy Fools day!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! :)
Great one!!!

You have hit the nail to its head.
I was very angry for a few seconds for the nonsense to "remove all optimizations - also those on GPUs" ... before I finally recognized that this is too much of a nonsens to be true AND I finally realized that it is Fools day today. :)

You've got me! Congratulations!!! First GATCHA of mine in last 10 years! = You lucky Bstrd :)))

Be happy, be well.
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Message 18960 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 19:43:11 UTC

You've got me!! I just had an NDE, outer body experience!!!
What a cruel man, you are...:D

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Message 18961 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 19:45:58 UTC - in response to Message 18949.

Ha-ha-ha! Thank you for making me laugh! :)

That was a very good one! :) Happy Fools Day! :)

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Message 18962 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 20:23:19 UTC

Thank you Slicker very much. Finally the decision worth the true leader

I hope other projects' runners will follow your example and we will all end in one big, warm BOINC heaven.


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Message 18964 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 21:40:50 UTC

Thanks, I enjoyed reading this one!!!
The punch cards were really the master's touch which made me see the light

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Message 18965 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 21:58:37 UTC
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Nice one slikker - I was totally taken in for the first 4 sentences

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Message 18966 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 22:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 18958.
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COBOL and punch cards. lol

Get MODERN! Paper tape & if u are REALLY lucky, punched MYLAR tape!!!! (Gold colored, ~ of course ~)

177514 load address, examine....

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Message 18967 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 22:34:19 UTC
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Next time, don't tell me "April Fool" after I put the finishing touches on a program that will output Kansas City Standard audio to be recorded onto datacassette and airmailed via carrier pidgeon!

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Message 18968 - Posted: 1 Apr 2014, 23:58:50 UTC - in response to Message 18949.

Bait, line and sinker... That was a good one indeed. I wasn't laughing much until I read the other responses. The relief was a bliss...

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Message 18969 - Posted: 2 Apr 2014, 0:37:41 UTC
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Will there be an app for CP/M and Abacus?

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Message 18970 - Posted: 2 Apr 2014, 2:51:16 UTC

So when can I expect my TI-60 app?

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